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Colossians 1.15-20: Preexistence or Preeminence  [6 pages]
by William Wachtel rated at 1.9 (7 votes so far)

In standard evangelical commentary, two texts from Paul's writings are constantly used to teach the personal preexistence of Christ: Philippians 2:5-11 and Colossians 1:15-20. William Wachtel questions seriously, however, whether any such ideas were in Paul's mind. In Philippians 2:5, for instance, Paul declares he is holding forth the historical example of the man Christ Jesus, not some prehistoric example into which can be read ideas of personal preexistence. Can the same be said to be true of Colossians 1:15-20?

Debate: Unitarian vs. Trinitarian  [117:52]
by Sean Finnegan vs. Brant Bosserman rated at 3.9 (32 votes so far)

Presented by Brant Bosserman and Sean Finnegan at the One God Conference, in Seattle, WA on June 1st 2008. The debate was over whether God is a single individual (the Father of Jesus) or if he is a Trinity (three persons in one essence). The debate followed this format:

Introduction by Ken Westby and Tom Bosserman [10 min]

Sean's Opening Statement [20 min]
Brant's Opening Statement [20 min]

Sean's Rebuttal [15 min]
Brant's Rebuttal [15 min]

Sean Cross-Examine Brant [10 min]
Brant Cross-Examine Sean [10 min]

Sean's Closing Statement [5 min]
Brant's Closing Statement [5 min]

The discussion was lively and considerate and I thank Brant for his willingness to engage us on this issue. Unfortunately the recording has some microphone interference during the concluding statements but most of what was said can be understood. Sorry for the inconvenience.

The Creed of Jesus  [31:09]
by Dustin Smith rated at 2.8 (12 votes so far)

Dustin demonstrates the simple Creed of Jesus evolved into what is recanted in most churches today. The exhortation is for the followers of Jesus to return to his creed and thereby returning to his definition of who God is.

The Arian Controversy (Truth Matters)  [28:06]
by Alex Hall rated at 3.2 (12 votes so far)

Alex Hall of London tells the story of how the church vacillated between Arius and Athanasius during the fourth century. By focusing on the dueling councils during that period (a.d. 318-381) Alex paints a picture, which, although disturbing to those of us who would like to think that such matters as the deity of Christ were always clear, accurately describes how politics heavily influenced the development of theology during that time. A good deal of Alex's work was influenced by When Jesus Became God by Richard Rubenstein. If this conversation has piqued your interest in this subject I highly recommend reading Rubenstein's book as it fills out the details in a readable manner. Alex's conclusion is that we should not trust either side since both used ungodly means to achieve their goal of winning the debate, rather, we should practice the Berean exercise of searching the Scriptures to see whether these things are so (Acts 17.11).

The Trinity Defined and Refuted  [73:25]
by Sean Finnegan rated at 3.5 (16 votes so far)

Sean Finnegan describes and refutes the belief of three persons in one godhead including a systematic brief treatment of their co-equal, co-eternal, co-essential nature, and the hypostatic union. Does the Trinity make sense? Is the dogma biblical? Join this tour de force through early Church history and the relevant theological constructs of Christianity's most controversial doctrine.

Debate: Is Yeshua the One God of Israel  [358:35]
by Matthew Janzen vs. Michael Bugg rated at 1.6 (7 votes so far)

On May 24th and 25th of 2008, Michael Bugg and Matthew Janzen debated the question Is Yeshua the One God of Israel?. The debate occurred over two nights. The first night was at Michael Bugg's church (he is a messianic Jew who holds to a modified version of the Trinity). The second night of the debate was held at Matthew Janzen's church (he is the biblical unitarian).
An interesting feature of the debate was that it occurred in twenty minute speeches all throughout. Rather than having an opening statement followed by a couple of rebuttals, every speech was twenty minutes (at least until the question and answer time).

Debate: Is God One or Three in One?  [143:07]
by Sean Finnegan vs. Russ Dizdar rated at 3.3 (18 votes so far)

Sean Finnegan and Russ Dizdar participate in a debate over the question of who God is. Mr. Finnegan took the affirmative position that the Father is the only true God (cf. Jn 17.3) and Mr. Dizdar, took the traditional position that God is three persons in one essence--the Trinity. The tone was very civil and both sides were able to present their positions.

Unfortunately, the moderator, GeorgeAnn Hughes (founder of The Byte Show) was not able to participate very much because she was having some trouble with her voice. As a result, the participants had to keep track of their own time and took turns presenting their cases. The format of the debate was as follows:

Opening Statements
20 minutes -- Sean Finnegan
20 minutes -- Russ Dizdar

Rebuttals
15 minutes -- Sean Finnegan
15 minutes -- Russ Dizdar

Direct Question and Answers
approximately an hour

If you would like to get in on the discussion visit this blog entry.

On the Errors of the Trinity  [12 mp3s]
by Don Snedeker rated at 3.3 (15 votes so far)

A thorough consideration and refutation of the doctrine of the Trinity. Originally released as 12 tapes but now available on mp3, this series examines the doctrine of the Trinity proposition by proposition. Not only is this series approached from a biblical perspective, Don Snedeker also taps into the rich biblical unitarian resources of several authors from the 19th century. Furthermore, Don works through a number of texts typically used to support the Trinity and he demonstrates their true meaning based on their context. Click on the audio icon above to see the titles for each of the 12 mp3s in this comprehensive examination.

Debate: On The Narrow Mind Call-In Show  [119:48]
by Dan Mages & Patrick Navas vs. Gene Cook rated at 2.9 (16 votes so far)

Dan Mages and Patrick Navas engage Gene Cook (the DJ) on the Trinity. Both sides do a fine job of talking about the reasons why they hold to their positions.

The Nature of Preexistence in the New Testament  [12 pages]
by Anthony Buzzard rated at 2.0 (7 votes so far)

The so-called "preexistence" of Jesus in John refers to his "existence" in the Plan of God. The church has been plagued by the introduction of non-biblical language. There is a perfectly good word for "real" preexistence in the Greek language (pro-uparchon). It is very significant that it appears nowhere in Scripture, but it does in the writings of Greek church fathers of the second century. These Greek commentators on Scripture failed to understand the Hebrew categories of thought in which the New Testament is written.

Jesus had a Beginning  [25:25]
by Dustin Smith & Sean Finnegan rated at 2.3 (9 votes so far)

John 3.16 is probably the most famous verse in the Bible. From John 3.16 and many other places, we learn that Jesus is the 'only begotten son of God.' This important but overlooked word gives wonderful insight to the identity and origin of Jesus. Can someone who has a beginning have no beginning at the same time? (This video can also be viewed on Google Video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8001812102575252724

Jesus Son of God from Matthew and Luke  [77:44]
by Anthony Buzzard rated at 1.1 (6 votes so far)

A study of the origin of Jesus from Matthew and Luke reveals that Jesus is originated as a human being in the womb of his mother via the miracle of the holy spirit.

Jesus had a Beginning  [4 pages]
by Sean Finnegan rated at 1.0 (5 votes so far)

Did Jesus have a beginning? Has he always existed? Read this article to get an understanding of the 'begotten' texts. It may surprise you to discover that the Bible teaches.



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books

These books, written by people from diverse backgrounds, express the simple truth that God is one. Some of them are more scholary while others are more autobiographical. In addition, a few of them are available to read online. If you would like more in depth treatment of christian monotheism, these books are the next step to take. Note: if you know of other books, not listed here, please leave us feedback.

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